Comments on: Photos in the womb http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2009/10/12/photos-in-the-womb/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:48:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: curiouS veRna http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2009/10/12/photos-in-the-womb/comment-page-1/#comment-4428 curiouS veRna Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:07:20 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=7197#comment-4428 @Suricou You said "Ectopic pregnancy is the only situation in which the catholic church permits an abortion." Not true. You are confused. It may appear to you that it is splitting hairs but it is important to clarify what *you think* the Catholic Church permits. In the words of Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J., "In Catholic morality, abortion is either direct (induced) or indirect. Direct abortion is any destruction of the product of human conception, whether before or after implantation in the womb. A direct abortion is one that is intended either as an end in itself or as a means to an end. As a willful attack on unborn human life, no matter what the motive, direct abortion is always a grave objective evil. Indirect abortion is the foreseen but merely permitted evacuation of a fetus which cannot survive outside the womb. The evacuation is not the intended or directly willed result, but the side effect, of some legitimate procedure. As such it is morally allowable. The essential sinfulness of direct abortion consists in the homicidal intent to kill innocent life." So, as you can see, the Catholic Church would not allow a direct abortion. Normally medical procedures are taken to try to save the life of both mother and fetus, however, in certain cases the unintended consequence may be the premature evacuation of the fetus. The Catholic Church does not condone direct abortion where it is the sole intention to end the life of the unborn. @Suricou

You said “Ectopic pregnancy is the only situation in which the catholic church permits an abortion.” Not true. You are confused. It may appear to you that it is splitting hairs but it is important to clarify what *you think* the Catholic Church permits.

In the words of Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J., “In Catholic morality, abortion is either direct (induced) or indirect. Direct abortion is any destruction of the product of human conception, whether before or after implantation in the womb. A direct abortion is one that is intended either as an end in itself or as a means to an end. As a willful attack on unborn human life, no matter what the motive, direct abortion is always a grave objective evil.

Indirect abortion is the foreseen but merely permitted evacuation of a fetus which cannot survive outside the womb. The evacuation is not the intended or directly willed result, but the side effect, of some legitimate procedure. As such it is morally allowable. The essential sinfulness of direct abortion consists in the homicidal intent to kill innocent life.”

So, as you can see, the Catholic Church would not allow a direct abortion. Normally medical procedures are taken to try to save the life of both mother and fetus, however, in certain cases the unintended consequence may be the premature evacuation of the fetus. The Catholic Church does not condone direct abortion where it is the sole intention to end the life of the unborn.

]]> By: Rebecca http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2009/10/12/photos-in-the-womb/comment-page-1/#comment-4427 Rebecca Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:22:48 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=7197#comment-4427 Melissa: I see your point, but I think I prefer it when abortion advocates show their colours so transparently! The world needs more Suricous, in this regard at least. It's like the beer and popcorn episode: it reveals the slimy underbelly that's usually hidden, and for our side, that's a good thing. Melissa: I see your point, but I think I prefer it when abortion advocates show their colours so transparently! The world needs more Suricous, in this regard at least. It’s like the beer and popcorn episode: it reveals the slimy underbelly that’s usually hidden, and for our side, that’s a good thing.

]]> By: Melissa http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2009/10/12/photos-in-the-womb/comment-page-1/#comment-4424 Melissa Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:19:32 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=7197#comment-4424 @ Suricou: Might I respectfully suggest that, if you are at all interested in convincing us that the pro-choice view is the correct one, you may wish to refrain from referring to a two-month human fetus as a "little chunk of meat". @ Suricou:

Might I respectfully suggest that, if you are at all interested in convincing us that the pro-choice view is the correct one, you may wish to refrain from referring to a two-month human fetus as a “little chunk of meat”.

]]> By: Cynthia M. http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2009/10/12/photos-in-the-womb/comment-page-1/#comment-4423 Cynthia M. Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:39:21 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=7197#comment-4423 @Suricou "Ectopic? Then, had these fetuses not been aborted, they would certinly [sic] have killed the woman. Not perhaps, not probably. Certinly [sic]." First of all, ectopic pregnancies quite often lead to *spontaneous* losses. So the idea that an abortion was required or else the mother would *certainly* have died is plain fear-mongering. Perhaps more to the point though -- You probably shouldn't speak in absolutes. Eighteen months ago the world was stunned when a child was born, alive, resulting from an ectopic pregnancy. And the mother "certainly" did NOT die. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24888923/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7427907.stm It might be the exception and not the rule. But you should be a little less careless how you throw around your absolutes. Cheers :) @Suricou
“Ectopic? Then, had these fetuses not been aborted, they would certinly [sic] have killed the woman. Not perhaps, not probably. Certinly [sic].”

First of all, ectopic pregnancies quite often lead to *spontaneous* losses. So the idea that an abortion was required or else the mother would *certainly* have died is plain fear-mongering.

Perhaps more to the point though — You probably shouldn’t speak in absolutes. Eighteen months ago the world was stunned when a child was born, alive, resulting from an ectopic pregnancy. And the mother “certainly” did NOT die.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24888923/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7427907.stm
It might be the exception and not the rule. But you should be a little less careless how you throw around your absolutes.
Cheers :)

]]> By: Brigitte Pellerin http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2009/10/12/photos-in-the-womb/comment-page-1/#comment-4422 Brigitte Pellerin Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:27:10 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=7197#comment-4422 Suricou: True. But between a 2-year-old's word and yours, I'll take the 2-year-old's any day. They are way more real than you'll ever be. Suricou: True. But between a 2-year-old’s word and yours, I’ll take the 2-year-old’s any day. They are way more real than you’ll ever be.

]]> By: Suricou Raven http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2009/10/12/photos-in-the-womb/comment-page-1/#comment-4419 Suricou Raven Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:52:25 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=7197#comment-4419 And nor is claiming that if a child says something, that proves it :> And nor is claiming that if a child says something, that proves it :>

]]> By: Andrea Mrozek http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2009/10/12/photos-in-the-womb/comment-page-1/#comment-4418 Andrea Mrozek Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:31:25 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=7197#comment-4418 Failing to see what is there for a two-year-old to easily recognize thanks to an ideological bias is not reasoned or rational, sorry. Failing to see what is there for a two-year-old to easily recognize thanks to an ideological bias is not reasoned or rational, sorry.

]]> By: Suricou Raven http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2009/10/12/photos-in-the-womb/comment-page-1/#comment-4416 Suricou Raven Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:18:32 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=7197#comment-4416 Ectopic? Then, had these fetuses not been aborted, they would certinly have killed the woman. Not perhaps, not probably. Certinly. Ectopic pregnancy is the only situation in which the catholic church permits an abortion. The photo of the little chunk of meat with a vaguely human shape does not impress me. To use such an image is nothing but an appeal to an emotional response. It's an excellent PR technique I have no doubt, and I am sure it wins over many people to the pro-life cause, but there is nothing reasoned or rational to be seen. Ectopic? Then, had these fetuses not been aborted, they would certinly have killed the woman. Not perhaps, not probably. Certinly. Ectopic pregnancy is the only situation in which the catholic church permits an abortion.

The photo of the little chunk of meat with a vaguely human shape does not impress me. To use such an image is nothing but an appeal to an emotional response. It’s an excellent PR technique I have no doubt, and I am sure it wins over many people to the pro-life cause, but there is nothing reasoned or rational to be seen.

]]> By: Deborah http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2009/10/12/photos-in-the-womb/comment-page-1/#comment-4414 Deborah Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:37:14 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=7197#comment-4414 I have to comment because this is sad -- a friend of mine informed me that these photos were actually taken of babies who had been aborted. According to the photographer's <a href="extrauterine pregnancies" rel="nofollow">website</a> they were from extrauterine pregnancies. It doesn't make the tiny people any less amazing though. I have to comment because this is sad — a friend of mine informed me that these photos were actually taken of babies who had been aborted. According to the photographer’s website they were from extrauterine pregnancies.

It doesn’t make the tiny people any less amazing though.

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