Comments on: Can I get a source on that? http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2010/02/10/can-i-get-a-source-on-that/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:25:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rachel http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2010/02/10/can-i-get-a-source-on-that/comment-page-1/#comment-5298 Rachel Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:56:52 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=8313#comment-5298 Le Devoir came out this morning with an editorial citing the 70,000 figure, depicting the kind of world where a woman bleeding to death from an abortion would be left to die while her sister in the next bed would be treated for her hemorrhage in childbirth. Of course the Catholic Church/prolife was blamed. http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/283092/avortement-et-contraception-maternite-selon-harper Le Devoir came out this morning with an editorial citing the 70,000 figure, depicting the kind of world where a woman bleeding to death from an abortion would be left to die while her sister in the next bed would be treated for her hemorrhage in childbirth. Of course the Catholic Church/prolife was blamed.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/283092/avortement-et-contraception-maternite-selon-harper

]]> By: Suricou Raven http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2010/02/10/can-i-get-a-source-on-that/comment-page-1/#comment-5285 Suricou Raven Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:13:14 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=8313#comment-5285 Congratulations. Noone has ever worked out the meaning of my name before without at least being told there was one hidden to find. Now for bonus points, work out why 'raven.' Congratulations. Noone has ever worked out the meaning of my name before without at least being told there was one hidden to find.

Now for bonus points, work out why ‘raven.’

]]> By: Melissa http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2010/02/10/can-i-get-a-source-on-that/comment-page-1/#comment-5268 Melissa Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:05:31 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=8313#comment-5268 Andrea-- The WHO report that Shane referenced (written by Elisabeth Ahman) looks to be the source of those numbers. On page 28 she says "Globally, the proportion of maternal deaths due to unsafe abortion has remained close to 13% over time, although there have been regional variations." However she does not give a reference for this fact. Then, in a footnote, also on page 28 she says "New maternal mortality estimates for 2005 show that the improvement is slower than assumed and indicate that the corresponding unsafe abortion deaths for 2005 may be close to 70 000.", but again, no reference. On page 38, she goes into her methodology for estimating the prevalence of abortion in countries where it is illegal. There are *lots* of fudge factors and estimations involved. If you read Rene's article you'll get an idea of what is involved. She does make the assumption that illegal abortion = unsafe abortion. And if there was no data from a particular country (and, call me cynical, but I kind of think that if the data available from a country didn't meet with her expectations) she would substitute the data from another country with similar fertility rates and health care. Shane--the references for the body of the report begin on page 34. The references at the end of the report are for the appendices. Andrea–

The WHO report that Shane referenced (written by Elisabeth Ahman) looks to be the source of those numbers. On page 28 she says “Globally, the proportion of maternal deaths due to unsafe abortion has remained close to 13% over time, although there have been regional variations.” However she does not give a reference for this fact. Then, in a footnote, also on page 28 she says “New maternal mortality estimates for 2005 show that the improvement is slower than assumed and indicate that the corresponding unsafe abortion deaths for 2005 may be close to 70 000.”, but again, no reference.

On page 38, she goes into her methodology for estimating the prevalence of abortion in countries where it is illegal. There are *lots* of fudge factors and estimations involved. If you read Rene’s article you’ll get an idea of what is involved. She does make the assumption that illegal abortion = unsafe abortion. And if there was no data from a particular country (and, call me cynical, but I kind of think that if the data available from a country didn’t meet with her expectations) she would substitute the data from another country with similar fertility rates and health care.

Shane–the references for the body of the report begin on page 34. The references at the end of the report are for the appendices.

]]> By: Andrea Mrozek http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2010/02/10/can-i-get-a-source-on-that/comment-page-1/#comment-5266 Andrea Mrozek Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:08:57 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=8313#comment-5266 In my defence, fact checking is very dull. The ONLY sense of satisfaction a fact checker gets is in... finding mistakes. (that you can triumphantly hold up to validate your existance as a fact checker.) I know I was annoying. But fact checking Brigitte was particularly annoying because there were rarely any errors to catch. So I'd search all the harder... Anyway, we've moved on to happier times now so why revisit this? :-) In my defence, fact checking is very dull. The ONLY sense of satisfaction a fact checker gets is in… finding mistakes. (that you can triumphantly hold up to validate your existance as a fact checker.)

I know I was annoying. But fact checking Brigitte was particularly annoying because there were rarely any errors to catch. So I’d search all the harder…

Anyway, we’ve moved on to happier times now so why revisit this? :-)

]]> By: Brigitte Pellerin http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2010/02/10/can-i-get-a-source-on-that/comment-page-1/#comment-5265 Brigitte Pellerin Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:02:18 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=8313#comment-5265 She fact-checked me, back in the day. That's how I got to know her - as a really, truly, thoroughly meticulous fact-checker. She was very good at it. Let's just say I'm glad I eventually saw other sides of her personality. She fact-checked me, back in the day. That’s how I got to know her – as a really, truly, thoroughly meticulous fact-checker. She was very good at it. Let’s just say I’m glad I eventually saw other sides of her personality.

]]> By: Shane O. http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2010/02/10/can-i-get-a-source-on-that/comment-page-1/#comment-5264 Shane O. Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:55:58 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=8313#comment-5264 Thanks, Melissa - how were you able to access them? And since no one else has done so - please, Brigitte, tell us how you know about Andrea's fact-checking skills. Thanks, Melissa – how were you able to access them?

And since no one else has done so – please, Brigitte, tell us how you know about Andrea’s fact-checking skills.

]]> By: Melissa http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2010/02/10/can-i-get-a-source-on-that/comment-page-1/#comment-5263 Melissa Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:19:53 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=8313#comment-5263 @Shane O. About your footnotes--#50 is: 50 Åhman E, Shah IH, Mathers C. Mortality and morbidity due to unsafe abortion. (Unpublished). and #52: 52 Shah IH, Åhman E. Age patterns of unsafe abortion in developing country regions. Reproductive Health Matters, 2004, 12(24; suppl):9-17. @Shane O. About your footnotes–#50 is:

50 Åhman E, Shah IH, Mathers C. Mortality and morbidity due to unsafe abortion. (Unpublished).

and #52:

52 Shah IH, Åhman E. Age patterns of unsafe abortion in developing country regions. Reproductive Health Matters, 2004, 12(24; suppl):9-17.

]]> By: Shane O. http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2010/02/10/can-i-get-a-source-on-that/comment-page-1/#comment-5258 Shane O. Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:36:06 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=8313#comment-5258 My earlier hyperlink appears to work, after all - although it didn't for me at work. My earlier hyperlink appears to work, after all – although it didn’t for me at work.

]]> By: quiet footprints http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2010/02/10/can-i-get-a-source-on-that/comment-page-1/#comment-5257 quiet footprints Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:32:43 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=8313#comment-5257 A couple weeks ago another women died from an abortion. I find it interesting that pro-choicers love to tell the number of deaths from illegal abortions (of which many were done by doctors) but ignore those who died from abortion after it became legal. A couple weeks ago another women died from an abortion. I find it interesting that pro-choicers love to tell the number of deaths from illegal abortions (of which many were done by doctors) but ignore those who died from abortion after it became legal.

]]> By: Cynthia http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2010/02/10/can-i-get-a-source-on-that/comment-page-1/#comment-5256 Cynthia Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:18:12 +0000 http://www.prowomanprolife.org/?p=8313#comment-5256 Thank you for the article Rene. The Pro-Choice agenda's mis-direction and mis-information is mindboggling. Andrea, you need to put Rene on your fact-checking payroll :) Thank you for the article Rene. The Pro-Choice agenda’s mis-direction and mis-information is mindboggling.
Andrea, you need to put Rene on your fact-checking payroll :)

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