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A eureka moment of sorts

February 25, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek 2 Comments

Just reading this Barbara Kay column when I realized something: where we (pro-lifers) see life and all the positive things that brings, endless opportunity, hope, freedom to be a woman including absolutely everything that implies… some on the other side see forced reproduction and a government mandated breeding program. Lebensborn with fewer options. That kind of thing.

Just posting that random thought at the end of the day.

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Brigitte worries: My goodness me. How tough it must be for Ms. Atwood now that W. is no longer in the White House!

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Patricia adds: I have always loathed The Handmaid’s Tale. Such a hateful distortion of religion would be the object of a human rights complaint (a successful one) if directed at any group other than Christians. Imagine what the reception would have been had Margaret Atwood told a cautionary dystopic tale of an American Caliphate in which women are enslaved as breeders (and only able to buy their underwear from male salespeople – otherwise known as salesmen, but it is so weird to describe any occupation in gender specific language, I’d almost forgotten such a word existed). Actually, such a scenario is unimaginable, because that would mean Margaret Atwood would be a different person, not the darling of the CBC, the companion of the Order of Canada, our “national treasure”, blah, blah, blah.

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Finally, a cause we can all get, er, behind!

February 25, 2009 by Brigitte Pellerin Leave a Comment

Feminists and pro-women women of the world, unite! Let us join forces and demand an end to this unspeakably ridiculous situation:

It would be bizarre in any country to find that its lingerie shops are staffed entirely by men.

But in Saudi Arabia – an ultra-conservative nation where unmarried men and women cannot even be alone in a room together if they are not related – it is strange in the extreme.

Women, forced to negotiate their most intimate of purchases with male strangers, call the situation appalling and are demanding the system be changed.

“The way that underwear is being sold in Saudi Arabia is simply not acceptable to any population living anywhere in the modern world,” says Reem Asaad, a finance lecturer at Dar al-Hikma Women’s College in Jeddah, who is leading a campaign to get women working in lingerie shops rather than men.

“This is a sensitive part of women’s bodies,” adds Ms Asaad. “You need to have some discussions regarding size, colour and attractive choices and you definitely don’t want to get into such a discussion with a stranger, let alone a male stranger. I mean this is something I wouldn’t even talk to my friends about.”

Indeed. I mean, how would guys know the difference between this and this? (OK, so I don’t shop at Victoria’s…)

[h/t Mark Steyn]

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Tanya adds: On my top ten list of weirdest things I’ve ever seen (I keep a regular journal) was a 6’2″ man standing at the entrance of a La Senza.  Clipped to his shirt was his brass nametag:  ABDUL  LaSenza Sales Associate.

I was on Robson Street in Vancouver.  Needless to say, I did not shop for intimates that day.  To console myself, I went to Steamrollers’ instead.

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Andrea adds: I’m never thrilled when men are around in shops like that. The thing is, quite frankly, the men never look thrilled either. It’s awkward all around. (Say, can you pass me a size–No wait… that’s not information our readers need…)

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This is 2009, right?

February 25, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek 3 Comments

There’s a feature in today’s Ottawa Citizen about a doctor who is celebrating his 25,000th vasectomy. (Called “The vasectomy king,” for some reason I can’t find it online).

Here’s the quote I found interesting. The doctor says:

If men had to bear kids, we wouldn’t have a population explosion.”

To this I would say, um, we don’t have a population explosion, my friend. We have very low birth rates. Nothing exploding here.

Interesting how old “truths” die hard.

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Tanya adds: Old truths die hard because Al Gore is walking up and down Pennsylvania Avenue wearing a sandwich board.  On the front, it says “the end is near!”  On the back is a graph which has no basis in reality showing that the population of the world will grow to over than 10 billion by the year 2050.

world-population-chartlol

Oh, make that 9 billion. (I guess even he couldn’t sell his original figure of 10 billion).

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Congratulations Véronique

February 24, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek 5 Comments

PWPL congratulates Véronique on the successful arrival to the outside world of her sixth baby. (She’s just one of the super moms I referred to in this post.)

The world needs more Véroniques! Congratulations!

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Abortion debate at University of Ottawa this Friday

February 24, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek 12 Comments

Ottawa Students for Life, the University of Ottawa’s pro-life club, invites you to attend a debate on the morality of abortion taking place on Friday February 27th at 7:30 p.m. in room 026 of the Arts Building (70 Laurier Ave. East). Stephanie Gray, Executive Director of the Canadian Centre for Bio-Ethical Reform and renowned pro-life speaker will be defending the pro-life position, while Dr. Andrew Sneddon, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Ottawa, will defend the pro-choice position. Refreshments will be provided. Attendance is free. No RVSP is required. For more information contact

ottawastudentsforlife@gmail.com

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Hats off to the mothers

February 23, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek 1 Comment

I do have more thoughts on the issues we’ve been discussing on the blog here. Or rather, I had thoughts, and then they are gone–because zoom, zoom, zoom, we’re going to the moon… 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1–Blast Off!

Seriously. I’ve been taking care of a two-year-old since Friday and I have found a couple of things. First off, deep thoughts and two-year-olds don’t generally go together. Secondly, I’m exhausted. And it’s not my child, and there’s only one of her. And one of me. You’d think we’d be even. But she (the two-year-old) consistently has more energy than me.

To all the moms out there, my sincere respect. A lot of respect. To those who not only have kids but also blog coherently, using full sentences and in full awareness of the news, what is going on AND what they think of it…I don’t know how you do it, I truly don’t.

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Tanya can’t let “mommy-brain” go unmentioned here: It’s a condition that causes you to put milk in the pantry and cereal in the fridge. It also slashes the breadth of your vocabulary by about 60%. (That last symptom, however, may have something to do with all the peepee-poopoo-booboo banter.) Mommy-brain (aka baby-brain) starts sometime during your first pregnancy and, as of yet, no one has been able to tell me when I get my old brain back. In combination with a toddler’s constant interruptions, train of thought is a thing of the past.

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It’s about the baby – or is it?

February 23, 2009 by Brigitte Pellerin 9 Comments

Wow. That’s quite the comment thread we’ve got on Andrea’s previous post. I am delighted with the discussion. Because I’m learning from it, yes, but also because our readers are debating a pretty contentious issue with great clarity, compassion and civility. (We’ve got cool readers.)

One of the things the commenters brought up that I think it worth considering again is that the victim of early inductions are not the mothers so much as the babies. I’ll admit that my first thought when I read that Post article was to think about the pregnant mother in danger of dying. And really, when a situation occurs where the husband or other family member has to agree to early induction to save the life of the mother (these cases do happen; I know of at least two), and has about 41 seconds to make a decision, it’s hard to see it any other way. When the best information available, in an emergency situation, is that the unconscious mother (and baby) will die within the hour if we let nature take its course but the mother will be saved (and maybe the baby as well; in the 2 cases I am familiar with they survived) if we induce, what is a husband supposed to do? I have a hard time believing that what he’s agreeing to is infanticide.

Cases where the choice is between the mother and her baby dying and the mother surviving (maybe the baby, too) are clear to me. These are about both mother and baby. Cases where induction is performed for reasons that are, let’s say, less serious are a lot less clear to me. The mother’s convenience or peace of mind are certainly important, but not nearly as much as the life of another human being, regardless of how difficult it might be due to severe anomaly. I contend that these cases should be about the baby, not so much about the mother.

I don’t know enough about the particulars of St. Joseph’s hospital. I do not know Father Prieur, and I am certainly not qualified to judge whether his actions are properly Catholic or not. I would be curious to know if there is consensus among pro-lifers, and among our readers, with my distinction in the paragraph above. Do most of us agree there can be cases where it’s about both mother and baby?

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Tanya wonders if we’re splitting hairs here: I’m in agreement with early induction for two reasons only.  The first is a situation I was made aware of when I was pregnant.  There are instances when the baby is no longer thriving due to conditions in the womb — not adequately growing or gaining weight due to a lack of nutrients getting to her.  Clearly, early induction here is for the benefit of the baby.

The second instance is based on the health of the mother.  The mother is the life support of the baby.  If she is going to die if she continues her pregnancy, it seems logical that early induction would be in the best interests of both baby and mother.

Even as pro-lifers, are we always analyzing these issues from the standpoint that the child in the womb deserves equal rights to any other human being?  A useful parallel, I’ve found, is the treatment of conjoined twins.  Without question, the medical world attributes both twins with equal rights.  However there are instances where one twin will die and the other will live.  One such case is Jodie and Mary. I’m not suggesting that the actions taken here were ethically irreproachable.  I don’t envy anyone who has such a choice to make.  But the rights of the twins were equal out of the gate, which is more than we can say for most cases of early induction.

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When pro-lifers go overboard

February 21, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek

Today the Post ran this story about a London-area Catholic hospital, St. Joseph’s, and whether or not they have been doing early induction abortions over the past twenty years. The story is a long, in depth look at a rare but very difficult and sad thing: babies who are diagnosed with things like anencephaly in the womb, who won’t live past birth–and whose delivery may pose a threat to the life of the mother. The question is what to do at a pro-life hospital.

What I read in the Post today makes it sound as though they have adopted a very thoughtful approach with grave concern for the lives of mom and baby–they induce labour but not until after viability–that way if there’s been a mistake the baby receives care and lives and the mom is safe too.

I’m not a medical doctor–so actually, I’d appreciate it if some of those weighed in. I suppose two questions would be is the life of the mother threatened by delivering such a baby at term, and is it true that these babies never live? (We have our own thoughtful ethicist on the PWPL team here, however, she may be in labour as I type this.)

But sounds to me like the initial reports, like this one, were off base. We shouldn’t bandy about the word “eugenics”–it will lose its potency for the instances where eugenics truly is a factor. I’m open to hearing the other side, as usual, but sounds to me like this Catholic hospital is doing an admirable job of balancing what has to be the most heartwrenching scenario for any parent.

The piece ends with this:

Years ago, we didn’t know about the complications,” Fr. Prieur said. “We didn’t have these very sophisticated diagnostic tools. So sometimes the risks suddenly appeared and it was a high-risk pregnancy and you may have minutes to save the mother and the baby. Now we know. And with that knowledge do we have to wait till that crisis occurs, or do you intervene earlier? That’s part of the rationale of what we’re doing with early induction.”

It also means there is time to plan for the psychological and spiritual support of the family, a key component of how the hospital deals with the trauma.

When the baby is delivered, the parents have a chance to hold it quietly for a few minutes as the life drains out. A priest is often in the room to perform a baptism and someone trained to take a family photo if that is requested.

“For the vast majority of people there is a sense of peace,” Dr. Coughlin said. “The baby they were expecting to look very abnormal may not be as abnormal as they thought.”

“Many times I’ve walked home and say to myself, ‘We’ve held a human being in the palm of our hands,’ ” added Fr. Prieur. “This is not easy. This is the most difficult area for us Catholics.”

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Brigitte adds: I noted with much interest the following bit:

There are no s pecific Church guidelines in Canada when it comes to early induction. So LifeSite looked to guidelines laid out by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the U.S. National Catholic Bioethics Center to draw a judgment about what was going on at St. Joseph’s.

It cited Directive 45 of the “Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services,” which states: “Abortion (that is, the directly intended termination of pregnancy before viability or the directly intended destruction of a viable fetus) is never permitted. Every procedure whose sole immediate effect is the termination of pregnancy before viability is an abortion, which, in its moral context, includes the interval between conception and implantation of the embryo.”

The St. Joseph’s guidelines for early induction says the same thing: “Procedures whose immediate effect is the termination of pregnancy before viability are considered direct abortions.”

I am no ethicist, and also not a doctor. But it seems to me that if the intention is not to terminate the pregnancy, and that if every reasonable measure is taken to try and save the lives of both mother and child, then it’s not an abortion. Like Andrea, I’m willing to hear the other side. But I would certainly refrain from calling people like Fr. Prieur ugly names.

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Patricia says: Brigitte and Andrea, I don’t agree with you on this one.

I am not a doctor or an ethicist, but the procedure described in the article troubles me (to put it mildly) for several reasons.

Firstly, there is a big difference between the early intervention policy of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and the policy in place at St. Joseph’s. Under the US Bishops’ policy, “the psychological condition of the mother is never enough to do an early induction; it is allowed under the St. Joseph’s guidelines”. Fr Prieur comments in the article that “[i]f a mother is suicidal because she is carrying a baby that will not survive, that would be a reason to do an early induction”. The article then says that he could recall only one or two cases in which psychological well-being was enough to do an early induction, but it does seem to me that the rationalization of psychological well-being is broad enough to drive a truck through. This leaves me wondering how strict the requirement of risk to maternal health must be when it is used as a justification for early induction.

I am curious about the statistic that “one-third of the deaths of pregnant women is caused by lethal fetal anomalies”. I have never heard that before. I did a quick Google search of “causes of maternal death”, “maternal death and fetal anencephaly”, and “maternal death and fetal anomalies”. I found an abstract of one article in the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology that states that “continuation of pregnancy after a diagnosis of anencephaly is medically safe and should be considered as an option”. But that hardly represents a comprehensive review of the subject and I would be grateful for any expert insights on this issue.

I have to say that I find the whole “humane” procedure described in the article chilling. The proponents claim that 23 weeks is the magic number of viability: “What is key for them (the practitioners and ethicists at St. Joe’s) is that labour is not induced until at least 23 weeks, so if the baby is born alive, everything possible could be done to save it. And if the diagnosis is wrong, the child would have a chance”.

Okay, so, have any babies actually survived this process, even for a day or two? If a baby does survive the induction and delivery, who decides whether “everything possible” is done to save it (because I suspect that there isn’t a lot of time in which to make this decision) or whether the parents will simply “have a chance to hold it quietly for a few minutes as the life drains out of it”. Doesn’t that sound so natural – “the life draining out of it”, except that we have just stacked every card in the deck to make sure that that life is certain to drain out of it (it? shouldn’t that be he or she?).

Finally, I am a little suspicious of so-called lethal fetal diagnoses. What conditions do they apply to? The article refers only to anencephaly and, tragically, a child with anencephaly who survives to birth does only live for a very short time. The same article I referred to above sets out some pretty heart-wrenching statistics: in its study of 211 pregnancies where a diagnosis of anencephaly had been made, “one hundred and fifty-three (72%) of anencephalic offspring were liveborn, of those, 103 (67%) died within 24 hours but 6/211 survived 6 or more days (maximum 28 days)”. What should we do for a life of 28 days? For 6 days? For 6 hours? How do we know in advance what length of time we are dealing with? A child with trisomy 13 or 18 (other conditions commonly described as “lethal”) may live for days, months or years (see, for example, http://www.livingwithtrisomy13.org/trisomy-13.htm). One mother of a child with trisomy 13 has told me that to determine a life expectancy of a baby based simply on a determination of trisomy 13 is like determining life expectancy of an adult basis on a diagnosis of “cancer” without taking into consideration whether it’s skin, lung or liver cancer, whether it’s stage 1 or stage 3. There is a wide range of degree of affliction with many of these conditions, just as there is with Down Syndrome. My friend’s experience is that this is rarely taken into consideration by doctors, many of whom assume that these conditions are a death sentence and wouldn’t we all be better to just move on.

I agree that the word “eugenic” should be used carefully. But we live in a country where 80-90% of children prenatally diagnosed with Down Syndrome are aborted. And our health system’s biggest initiative on Down Syndrome is to make sure that we get that new test (“Now know even earlier in your pregnancy!”) out on the market as quickly as possible. It’s a big old eugenic world out there and I think that an organization such as LifeSite is right to scrutinize a practice such as this. The fact is that we would not even be having this discussion if they had not made the procedure public.

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Andrea adds: Thanks, Trish, for being suspicious. (I mean that.) I have no desire to naively accept the Post report at face value. (And I was concerned about the loophole for mental distress, which is indeed a loophole large enough to drive a truck through, it’s true.) It could be this hospital has allowed for excuses to kill a baby early. It could be. It could also be that the mother’s life will genuinely end if they don’t induce. And that’s what I’m keen on learning about. I also took issue, I should add, with the headline “when good medicine and religious teaching collide). Because ethical treatments are good treatments, period. (This is not about religion versus good treatment.)

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Andrea is starting to realize she got it wrong: and will post again on this topic, once I confirm a few facts and details. In any event, thank you to all those who took the time to write thoughtful comments and point out new information/a new way of seeing this story. I’m sorry to say I was taken in by the Post report. My new look at this would be they are certainly aborting, and most likely unnecessarily so (ie not to save the life of the mother–but that’s what I’m waiting to hear back about from a few ob-gyns). I suppose I wanted to believe the best about that hospital; as a non-Catholic; I tend to believe that Catholics are the ones who hold the line on this topic. I suppose it was somewhat naive of me to believe that no Catholic could ever make a mistake. (All the more discouraging then, when they make up fancy covers to get around what they are actually doing to convince the ill-informed among us…which apparently includes me.)

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That’s nice, but I’m still going to the dojo today…

February 21, 2009 by Brigitte Pellerin Leave a Comment

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Here comes progress – RUN AWAY!

February 20, 2009 by Brigitte Pellerin 4 Comments

What better way to entertain your baby than giving him his very own smartphone? After all, if he’s already got a laptop and camera…

If the LeapFrog toy company has its way, texting will soon join reading, writing and arithmetic as a staple of early childhood eduction. Starting in June, the company will begin selling a BlackBerry-like toy called the Text & Learn. The device is aimed at tots and features a full keyboard, calendar, LCD screen, and texting capacity. The big difference between the $25 Text & Learn and the several-hundred-dollar gadgets for grown-ups that inspired it is that it connects to a fake internet browser where preschoolers can exchange texts with a digital puppy named Scout whose five preprogrammed text messages include “Hi! We’re out of puppy biscuits. Thanks!” and “Let’s meet up later to play some fetch!”

Is it me, or is this a bit creepy?

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