Why, oh why, did they call her “mother” of the believers? What’s motherly about her actions?
A WOMAN suspected of recruiting more than 80 female suicide bombers has confessed to organising their rapes so she could later convince them that martyrdom was the only way to escape the shame.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – I’ll say it until I go blue in the face: Any religion and/or culture that prefers a woman should die rather than live with the “shame” of rape is sick and twisted and worth denouncing at every opportunity. Where, pray tell, are the feminists?
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Rebecca adds: And yet according to “official” Islam, all suffering and problems with the Muslim world are caused by the USA and/or Israel.
Until Muslims writ large are more appalled by this sort of thing, and spend more energy stopping it, than they are by the possibility that the town their uncle’s second cousin may have lived in is now peopled by Jews, or by the fact that American female soldiers are allowed to gasp drive in Saudi Arabia, I have a bit of trouble taking any of their complaints about issues geopolitical or local at all seriously. Look to the beam of wood in your collective eye, please.
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Tanya says: What this woman has done is atrocious. I do believe, though, that by denouncing the whole culture based on acts such as these, we can’t gain the trust and respect of the very women whom we hope to see liberated.
I don’t doubt for a moment that Muslims everywhere are horrified and appalled by this woman’s actions.
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I could not agree more. With a “friend” like that Islamic women don’t need any more enemies.
You’re looking for feminists amongst the Muslim community? you have to be joking. Julie C
“Where, pray tell, are the feminists?”
Where, Brigitte?
In jail in Iran, mostly. A few are running for office and orgnaizing. And those that hear about this kind of disgusting thing here are outraged by it.
What do you expect the feminists to do, Brigitte?
I’m curious how the crazed actions of a religious zealot are the fault of feminism? Or how feminism, which has fought this kind of thin in Muslim countries for years is even involved.
Be sure to really have a good anti-Mulsim rant though eh? Its not like the Catholic Church ever treated women like crap. Its not like you aren’t advocating for treating women like second class citizens and chattel either.
Hypocrite.
Why are you gals getting your knickers in knots?
She’s a fundamentalist religious anti-abortion zealot, no doubt. She believes in male authority. She’s on your side.
Oh Dear
It seems Brigitte hit a nerve with Mike. As a third-party observer, let me add my 2 cents to the discussion….
Mike – you ask, “I’m curious how the crazed actions of a religious zealot are the fault of feminism?” Brigitte never said, nor did she even imply, that feminism was at fault. She did speculate as to why there has not been more of an overwhelming outcry from the feminist movement. They should be decrying this incident with *at least* as much vitriol as they spew at Pro-Life proponents (who, by the way, acknowledge that abortion hurts women, and are thus far more pro-woman than most feminists. But I digress….)
And I would propose that Brigitte’s “rant” was not anti-Muslim. Her specific quote is, “ANY religion and/or culture that prefers a woman should die rather than live with the “shame” of rape is sick and twisted and worth denouncing at every opportunity.” Draw your attention to the word “Any”. I would hazard a guess that if the Catholic Church ever suggested a rape victim would be better off dead than “shamefully” alive, Brigitte would not hesitate to offer her condemnation of same.
As to your tirade regarding the Catholic Church treating women like crap, or this blog advocating women as second class chattel – you might want to educate yourself about the present-day Catholic Church (relying on presuppositions and prejudices instead of facts is not worthy of discussion), and, more importantly, you might educate yourself as to the myriad of ways in which abortion harms women. Permanently. Horribly. And irrevocably.
Cynthia read me right. Just for the record: Yes, absolutely, ANY religion (or cult, or movement, or fringe cultural group, no matter how small) that treats raped women worse than the men who raped them deserves the exact same condemnation.
YOU RANG?
http://thestar.blogs.com/broadsides/2009/02/cherchez-la-feministe.html
Trust a liberal to not be bothered to even try and understand their opponents, and then to contradict themselves at the same time.
I read the “Cherchez la Feministe” post. The author obviously thinks prowomanprolife.org blames feminists for doing nothing about the actions of these extremists. It should have been clear that this blog is constantly asking why there is major outcry from some feminists against pro-lifers, whereas there is comparatively minor outcry against foreign abuses of women. This blog is accusing certain feminists of hypocracy, or at least being guilty of moral equivalence.
Furthermore, the blog said:
“Any hope of feminism in Iraq was destroyed when Operation Shock and Awe unleashed the terrorists.”
And then ironically posts:
“Four thousand women are running for office in Iraq’s provincial elections Saturday”
Yes, the Iraq war brought out fundamentalist militias who persecuted women, but now women’s rights are recovering to the point they can run for elections. This is an improvement of the situation even as it was before the war. Are you going to thank Shock and Awe now?
Again the moral equivalence. Many feminists advocated quitting Iraq and leaving the women to this mess, rather than finishing the job and getting their rights back. How can you square this away, except that they are not as concerned about the general welfare of women as they say they are?
I’m with Matthew on this one. I, too, read the Cherchez la Feministe post. Like him, I was underwhelmed. Rather than making a profound statement against the situation in question (rape-coercion of Iraqi women/suicide bombers), the blog devoted the majority of its ranting bashing Brigitte, prowomanprolife.org, and similar sites.
Matthew points out the inconsistencies of the feminist blog quite nicely, so I will defer to his posting. Except to say that it is rather striking how some members of that site send comments here to PWPL, then RE-POST them in their entirety to the “Cherchez” site and eagerly say, “here’s what I sent in to PWPL…..” Kind of like little children (puppies?) seeking acknowledgment of a neat trick. “Look Mom. Look what we posted on PWPL. See. See. (tails wagging happily and tongues hanging out). Can we have a cookie now? Can we, huh? Huh?
Sycophants, one and all.
Cool thing is, PWPL welcomes even their views. Without all the bashing. Brigitte and the women who run this site are better than me on this one.
“it is rather striking how some members of that site send comments here to PWPL, then RE-POST them in their entirety to the “Cherchez” site and eagerly say, “here’s what I sent in to PWPL…..””
Don’t get excited, Cynthia.
Because anti-choice sites routinely use Comment Moderation to cull dissent, it’s become standard operating procedure to screen shot or repost comments somewhere else.
No cookies to see here, move along.