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A legal entity within a legal entity

March 24, 2008 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

Does this make any sense? Are the rights of women eroded through government cutbacks? Do regular non-political Canadian women know what Status of Women Canada actually does? And on the “schizophrenia” of Bill C-484… well, have a read. It’s a very, um, interesting take on it.

Mrs. Carole Lavallée (Saint-Bruno-Saint-Hubert, BQ):
…In the days following International Women’s Day, I must say that it worries me deeply to sit in this Parliament under a Conservative government. I was elected almost four years ago and I have never had to make so many speeches to promote the status of women. This is unusual. I feel like the rug is being pulled out from under us.

It seems to me that this Conservative government is attacking the promotion of the status of women. Some attacks are obvious. The most obvious, of course, are the cuts made to Status of Women Canada, so that the organization would stop promoting the status of women. There have been many other attacks. The most recent is Bill C-484, introduced by a Conservative member, a legislative measure that greatly concerns me. The bill has to do with unborn victims of crime. Under the pretense of protecting fetuses and protecting women, it would give a legal status to the fetus. This could mean sending women to prison for having an abortion. It would turn back the clock on women’s rights by decades.

I am surprised that, as I speak here today in 2008, I am forced to defend women’s equality, to defend women’s bodies and to tell men they must stop trying to legislate on women’s bodies. They cannot simultaneously be a legal entity and have another legal entity inside them. That is schizophrenia. I say this jokingly, but I am really very worried.

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Brigitte adds: Yeah, and women cannot simultaneously be a human being and have another human being inside them. That is schizophrenia… (If that‘s what the opposition manages to come up with, I say we’re winning.)

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Tanya points out the obvious: Bill C-484 states: “For greater certainty, this section does not apply in respect of conduct relating to the lawful termination of the pregnancy of the mother of the child to which the mother has consented.”

Carole Lavallée says: “This could mean sending women to prison for having an abortion.”

She may be on to something with this “schizophrenia” concept… there’s definitely some paranoia going on. Elevating the rights of fetuses to a little lower than those of a house-cat has the pro-abortion side “really very worried”? In her place, I’d be more worried about how out of touch with Canadian women I am, since 74% of them are in favour of the bill.

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Véronique adds: You can go to prison for hurting a house cat. I’m just saying this to preempt comments about Tanya’s comment.  http://cfhs.ca/news/humane_societies_applaud_criminal_code_changes/Anyway… I have a dear friend who suffers from schizophrenia. We go back many years — before she was diagnosed — and she is one of the most courageous person I know. All this to say that for vocabulary’s sake, there is nothing “legal” about whatever lives in my friend’s head. I’m not even sure it’s an entity.And at the risk of sounding like a lawyer, I am a legal entity who lives in a legal entity. That would be my house. Seriously. I’ll spare your intelligence and stop here rather than explain how many legal entities we technically live in. As I’m writing this, I am humming “the head bone’s connected to the, neck bone. The neck bone’s connected to the backbone …”

 

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Bill C-484, Canadian law, Ken Epp, National Abortion Federation

I laugh in the face of danger

March 22, 2008 by Tanya Zaleski Leave a Comment

Joyce Arthur, coordinator of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, called the Angus Reid poll “dangerous,” here.

 Feminists who are politically aware hear about this bill and immediately know what the problem is,” Arthur [said].

Clearly, Joyce Arthur and I do not share the same definition of dangerous. I feel that stiffer charges for violent criminals (as itemized in Bill C-484) are conducive to a less dangerous society. What can I say? I’m a little out there with my views sometimes.

Angus Reid Strategies’ director of global studies, Mario Canseco, [said] that the poll was not financed by any outside party and undertaken “out of our own interest”. Canseco called Arthur’s criticism of the way the poll was conducted “normal” and added, “this is one of the ways people react to surveys that show that not everyone agrees with them”.

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, Angus Reid poll, Bill C-484, Joyce Arthur

Angus Reid must harbour a secret so-con agenda

March 19, 2008 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

Otherwise how could they come up with these poll results on Bill C-484?

Furthermore, more women support the legislation than men.  

Women (74%) are slightly more in favour of the proposed legislation than men (66%). Female respondents (19%) are also less likely than male respondents (29%) to perceive the Unborn Victims of Crime Act as an attempt to recriminalize abortion in Canada

Interesting.

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Tanya adds: Boy-oh-boy, that 19 per cent sure is making alot of noise. In public forums, you can barely get two words out about Bill C-484 without someone calling it a “foothold in the door” for anti-abortionists, or a “very dangerous precedent.”

Apparently, the only way pro-abortionists feel safe is if fetuses are accorded less rights than cattle.

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Bill C-484, Canadian law, Ken Epp, National Abortion Federation

Feminists like myself

March 13, 2008 by Tanya Zaleski Leave a Comment

Bill C-484 continues to stir things up on the pro-abortion front. Joyce Hancock of the Newfoundland and Labrador Feminist Coalition makes her opinion known here.

You can’t separate violence against women from violence against the fetus.

I’m with her so far. Any violent act against the fetus hurts the woman. (I wonder if she mentions that when advising women on abortion.)

If you’re going to say a person can be prosecuted for killing a fetus you’re giving the fetus the same right as a living person, and feminists like myself, would maintain that the fetus does not have (separate) rights … Rights come when you are born.

Well, a feminist like myself is aware that the upholding of all human rights ensures that our own rights are upheld. Currently in Canada, one is recognized as having rights only after leaving the mother’s womb. God forbid we should question the law!

“Of equality – As if it harm’d me, giving others the same chances and rights as myself – As if it were not indispensable to my own rights that others possess the same.”

– Walt Whitman

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: , Bill C-484, Newfoundland and Labrador Feminist Coalition

You call that sympathy?

March 7, 2008 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

Re.: Bill C-484, the unborn victims of crime bill, this column about sums up how much sympathy a pro-abortion advocate is prepared to have for women murdered when pregnant.

…the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that a woman and her fetus are considered “one person.” That means there are no “unborn victims” of crime…

There you have it. There are no unborn victims. And “unborn victims” gets quotation marks, just to highlight how delusional a pregnant woman really is.

Don’t get me wrong, I like charades–have played it many times. But really, how long can women like Antonia Zerbisias keep this up? 

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: , Antonia Zerbisias, Bill C-484, Supreme Court, Toronto Star

Bill C-484 passes second reading

March 5, 2008 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

Bill C-484, the Unborn Victims of Crime bill, passes 147 to 133 in the House this evening.

(This is the bill that would make the murder of a pregnant woman count as two murders. If you want to read more about it, we’ve commented on it here, here, here and here. It now goes on to committee for discussion and debate. After that, it will return to the House for a final vote, and only then will finally go on to the Senate. That’s how I understand parliamentary procedure, anyway…)

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Bill C-484, Ken Epp, unborn victims, Unborn victims of crime

Everything’s relative… absolutely!

February 29, 2008 by Véronique Bergeron Leave a Comment

The recent posts on the uproar caused by bill C-484 among abortion advocates made me reflect on the philosophical implications of opposing a bill that gives a different legal status to fetuses that are expected than to those that are not. I always thought that the entire edifice of choice arguments rested on moral relativism. In other words, whether something – ending the life of a fetus – is right or wrong depends on what you think it is. There is no absolute yardstick of morality and, consequently, what you see depends on what you choose to see.

So what should be the big deal about a bill that gives a special legal status to fetuses that are expected and wanted? If abortion is relatively moral, supporting an initiative that upholds this relativity should strengthen the choice rhetoric, shouldn’t it? Well apparently no. The “free abortion on demand” slogan cannot withstand any suggestion that the fetus is relevant because doing so would be admitting some abortions as unwarranted or unnecessary. And when the rightness of an action – ending the life of a fetus – won’t withstand the challenge of circumstances, it’s called an “absolute.” We pro-lifers have long argued that some things are absolutely wrong. It is time to start reflecting on the implications of holding abortion as absolutely right.

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: abortion, Bill C-484, moral absolutism, moral relativism

Joyce’s choices on Bill C-484

February 27, 2008 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

Joyce Arthur of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada has a letter in the Citizen today. She states there is a conflict between Bill C-484 (unborn victims of violence) and existing laws. There isn’t-because the only law governing the fetus today, and after this bill too, is a woman’s choice.

A woman can do what she chooses with her unborn child.

Now what Arthur is getting at is a longstanding hypocrisy: When an unborn child is wanted, he or she gets medical treatment, even in the womb. And when unwanted, he or she can be killed.

With this bill, when a wanted unborn child dies, the criminal can be charged accordingly.

The decision still hinges on a woman’s choice.

This hypocrisy has existed for some time, and this bill rests on that hypocrisy.

In these cases of violence against pregnant women, they wanted their babies. They chose to keep them. Therefore, honouring their memory, as per their family’s requests, many of whom are backing the bill, means charging the criminal for two murders.

Joyce Arthur, with her complaint, is suggesting that in these cases of violence against a woman and her child, that woman’s choice doesn’t count.

Why? Because Joyce Arthur fears, more than usual, that the eternal hypocrisy of our system will be exposed. (This system, which cares for infants on one floor of a hospital and aborts them on another.)

But either this is a game of choice, or it’s not.

Joyce has two choices then: To support women’s choices, or not.

Arbitrary? Yes. But groups like hers made the rules. Now they ought to play by them.

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Bill C-484, Joyce Arthur

The National Abortion Federation and Bill C-484

February 26, 2008 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

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Vicki Saporta and the National Abortion Federation will not support Bill C-484. That’s the unborn victims of violence bill before Parliament right now. How could they? They point out in the release that the bill’s sponsor, Ken Epp is a known public enemy, er sorry, “a known opponent of legal abortion.” For the National Abortion Federation, it’s all sweetness and decency, hands across the water and teaching the world to sing: Until a pro-lifer enters the room.

Their reasoning? The bill will apparently conflict with “well-established Canadian laws.”

NAF fully supports a woman’s right to choose to carry a pregnancy to term. Because this bill does nothing to protect women and because its possible consequences include casting doubt over well-established Canadian law, NAF opposes C-484.

That’s funny, because Parliament deemed the bill votable. And then there’s the fact that Canada has no abortion law. So where might the conflict be?

On the plus side, NAF will not be mandating death–they felt it necessary to state their support for a woman’s right to keep her baby in the same press release.

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Brigitte adds: I always like to ask people why they say the things they say. Here I would like to know why the NAF insists that they “fully supports a woman’s right to choose to carry a pregnancy to term.” I’m glad they do, and I don’t mean to question their motives (well, you know, not unduly), but I wonder why they felt the need to add this sentence.  It’s like this other bit I noticed a while back, from Carolyn Egan, a spokeswoman for the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, who suggested that:

… a more appropriate way of dealing with such a serious crime is for the courts to impose a stiffer sentence for the perpetrator when the victim is pregnant.

Why do people who insist the fetus has no rights because it is not a person also insist that a crime against a woman who is carrying one of those non-person things in her body should be punished more severely than a crime against a woman who’s not carrying a non-person fetus thing in her body?

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Bill C-484, Canadian law, Ken Epp, National Abortion Federation

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