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Hats off to the mothers

February 23, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek 1 Comment

I do have more thoughts on the issues we’ve been discussing on the blog here. Or rather, I had thoughts, and then they are gone–because zoom, zoom, zoom, we’re going to the moon… 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1–Blast Off!

Seriously. I’ve been taking care of a two-year-old since Friday and I have found a couple of things. First off, deep thoughts and two-year-olds don’t generally go together. Secondly, I’m exhausted. And it’s not my child, and there’s only one of her. And one of me. You’d think we’d be even. But she (the two-year-old) consistently has more energy than me.

To all the moms out there, my sincere respect. A lot of respect. To those who not only have kids but also blog coherently, using full sentences and in full awareness of the news, what is going on AND what they think of it…I don’t know how you do it, I truly don’t.

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Tanya can’t let “mommy-brain” go unmentioned here: It’s a condition that causes you to put milk in the pantry and cereal in the fridge. It also slashes the breadth of your vocabulary by about 60%. (That last symptom, however, may have something to do with all the peepee-poopoo-booboo banter.) Mommy-brain (aka baby-brain) starts sometime during your first pregnancy and, as of yet, no one has been able to tell me when I get my old brain back. In combination with a toddler’s constant interruptions, train of thought is a thing of the past.

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When pro-lifers go overboard

February 21, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek

Today the Post ran this story about a London-area Catholic hospital, St. Joseph’s, and whether or not they have been doing early induction abortions over the past twenty years. The story is a long, in depth look at a rare but very difficult and sad thing: babies who are diagnosed with things like anencephaly in the womb, who won’t live past birth–and whose delivery may pose a threat to the life of the mother. The question is what to do at a pro-life hospital.

What I read in the Post today makes it sound as though they have adopted a very thoughtful approach with grave concern for the lives of mom and baby–they induce labour but not until after viability–that way if there’s been a mistake the baby receives care and lives and the mom is safe too.

I’m not a medical doctor–so actually, I’d appreciate it if some of those weighed in. I suppose two questions would be is the life of the mother threatened by delivering such a baby at term, and is it true that these babies never live? (We have our own thoughtful ethicist on the PWPL team here, however, she may be in labour as I type this.)

But sounds to me like the initial reports, like this one, were off base. We shouldn’t bandy about the word “eugenics”–it will lose its potency for the instances where eugenics truly is a factor. I’m open to hearing the other side, as usual, but sounds to me like this Catholic hospital is doing an admirable job of balancing what has to be the most heartwrenching scenario for any parent.

The piece ends with this:

Years ago, we didn’t know about the complications,” Fr. Prieur said. “We didn’t have these very sophisticated diagnostic tools. So sometimes the risks suddenly appeared and it was a high-risk pregnancy and you may have minutes to save the mother and the baby. Now we know. And with that knowledge do we have to wait till that crisis occurs, or do you intervene earlier? That’s part of the rationale of what we’re doing with early induction.”

It also means there is time to plan for the psychological and spiritual support of the family, a key component of how the hospital deals with the trauma.

When the baby is delivered, the parents have a chance to hold it quietly for a few minutes as the life drains out. A priest is often in the room to perform a baptism and someone trained to take a family photo if that is requested.

“For the vast majority of people there is a sense of peace,” Dr. Coughlin said. “The baby they were expecting to look very abnormal may not be as abnormal as they thought.”

“Many times I’ve walked home and say to myself, ‘We’ve held a human being in the palm of our hands,’ ” added Fr. Prieur. “This is not easy. This is the most difficult area for us Catholics.”

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Brigitte adds: I noted with much interest the following bit:

There are no s pecific Church guidelines in Canada when it comes to early induction. So LifeSite looked to guidelines laid out by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the U.S. National Catholic Bioethics Center to draw a judgment about what was going on at St. Joseph’s.

It cited Directive 45 of the “Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services,” which states: “Abortion (that is, the directly intended termination of pregnancy before viability or the directly intended destruction of a viable fetus) is never permitted. Every procedure whose sole immediate effect is the termination of pregnancy before viability is an abortion, which, in its moral context, includes the interval between conception and implantation of the embryo.”

The St. Joseph’s guidelines for early induction says the same thing: “Procedures whose immediate effect is the termination of pregnancy before viability are considered direct abortions.”

I am no ethicist, and also not a doctor. But it seems to me that if the intention is not to terminate the pregnancy, and that if every reasonable measure is taken to try and save the lives of both mother and child, then it’s not an abortion. Like Andrea, I’m willing to hear the other side. But I would certainly refrain from calling people like Fr. Prieur ugly names.

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Patricia says: Brigitte and Andrea, I don’t agree with you on this one.

I am not a doctor or an ethicist, but the procedure described in the article troubles me (to put it mildly) for several reasons.

Firstly, there is a big difference between the early intervention policy of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and the policy in place at St. Joseph’s. Under the US Bishops’ policy, “the psychological condition of the mother is never enough to do an early induction; it is allowed under the St. Joseph’s guidelines”. Fr Prieur comments in the article that “[i]f a mother is suicidal because she is carrying a baby that will not survive, that would be a reason to do an early induction”. The article then says that he could recall only one or two cases in which psychological well-being was enough to do an early induction, but it does seem to me that the rationalization of psychological well-being is broad enough to drive a truck through. This leaves me wondering how strict the requirement of risk to maternal health must be when it is used as a justification for early induction.

I am curious about the statistic that “one-third of the deaths of pregnant women is caused by lethal fetal anomalies”. I have never heard that before. I did a quick Google search of “causes of maternal death”, “maternal death and fetal anencephaly”, and “maternal death and fetal anomalies”. I found an abstract of one article in the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology that states that “continuation of pregnancy after a diagnosis of anencephaly is medically safe and should be considered as an option”. But that hardly represents a comprehensive review of the subject and I would be grateful for any expert insights on this issue.

I have to say that I find the whole “humane” procedure described in the article chilling. The proponents claim that 23 weeks is the magic number of viability: “What is key for them (the practitioners and ethicists at St. Joe’s) is that labour is not induced until at least 23 weeks, so if the baby is born alive, everything possible could be done to save it. And if the diagnosis is wrong, the child would have a chance”.

Okay, so, have any babies actually survived this process, even for a day or two? If a baby does survive the induction and delivery, who decides whether “everything possible” is done to save it (because I suspect that there isn’t a lot of time in which to make this decision) or whether the parents will simply “have a chance to hold it quietly for a few minutes as the life drains out of it”. Doesn’t that sound so natural – “the life draining out of it”, except that we have just stacked every card in the deck to make sure that that life is certain to drain out of it (it? shouldn’t that be he or she?).

Finally, I am a little suspicious of so-called lethal fetal diagnoses. What conditions do they apply to? The article refers only to anencephaly and, tragically, a child with anencephaly who survives to birth does only live for a very short time. The same article I referred to above sets out some pretty heart-wrenching statistics: in its study of 211 pregnancies where a diagnosis of anencephaly had been made, “one hundred and fifty-three (72%) of anencephalic offspring were liveborn, of those, 103 (67%) died within 24 hours but 6/211 survived 6 or more days (maximum 28 days)”. What should we do for a life of 28 days? For 6 days? For 6 hours? How do we know in advance what length of time we are dealing with? A child with trisomy 13 or 18 (other conditions commonly described as “lethal”) may live for days, months or years (see, for example, http://www.livingwithtrisomy13.org/trisomy-13.htm). One mother of a child with trisomy 13 has told me that to determine a life expectancy of a baby based simply on a determination of trisomy 13 is like determining life expectancy of an adult basis on a diagnosis of “cancer” without taking into consideration whether it’s skin, lung or liver cancer, whether it’s stage 1 or stage 3. There is a wide range of degree of affliction with many of these conditions, just as there is with Down Syndrome. My friend’s experience is that this is rarely taken into consideration by doctors, many of whom assume that these conditions are a death sentence and wouldn’t we all be better to just move on.

I agree that the word “eugenic” should be used carefully. But we live in a country where 80-90% of children prenatally diagnosed with Down Syndrome are aborted. And our health system’s biggest initiative on Down Syndrome is to make sure that we get that new test (“Now know even earlier in your pregnancy!”) out on the market as quickly as possible. It’s a big old eugenic world out there and I think that an organization such as LifeSite is right to scrutinize a practice such as this. The fact is that we would not even be having this discussion if they had not made the procedure public.

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Andrea adds: Thanks, Trish, for being suspicious. (I mean that.) I have no desire to naively accept the Post report at face value. (And I was concerned about the loophole for mental distress, which is indeed a loophole large enough to drive a truck through, it’s true.) It could be this hospital has allowed for excuses to kill a baby early. It could be. It could also be that the mother’s life will genuinely end if they don’t induce. And that’s what I’m keen on learning about. I also took issue, I should add, with the headline “when good medicine and religious teaching collide). Because ethical treatments are good treatments, period. (This is not about religion versus good treatment.)

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Andrea is starting to realize she got it wrong: and will post again on this topic, once I confirm a few facts and details. In any event, thank you to all those who took the time to write thoughtful comments and point out new information/a new way of seeing this story. I’m sorry to say I was taken in by the Post report. My new look at this would be they are certainly aborting, and most likely unnecessarily so (ie not to save the life of the mother–but that’s what I’m waiting to hear back about from a few ob-gyns). I suppose I wanted to believe the best about that hospital; as a non-Catholic; I tend to believe that Catholics are the ones who hold the line on this topic. I suppose it was somewhat naive of me to believe that no Catholic could ever make a mistake. (All the more discouraging then, when they make up fancy covers to get around what they are actually doing to convince the ill-informed among us…which apparently includes me.)

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Women who do in-vitro really want kids

February 19, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek 3 Comments

Or not.

TOKYO – Health officials in Japan say a woman was likely impregnated with the fertilized egg of another woman by accident during an in vitro procedure last year.

The woman, who is in her 20s, aborted the pregnancy when she was told of the potential mix-up at the government-run hospital in Kagawa prefecture, about 530 kilometres southwest of Tokyo. She is now suing the local government for the equivalent of US$222,000, according to news reports.

She can use the money she wins in a settlement to try again. (The phrases “viciously calculating” and “in control of her reproductive rights” spring to mind.)

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Patricia wonders: Andrea, where do you find these stories?

I’m puzzled at to why she feels she is entitled to $220,000. The “mistake” has been “erased”. Is she entitled to $220,000 as compensation for pain and suffering experienced as a result of having an abortion? That would make an interesting legal precedent, wouldn’t it?

Or is she entitled to $220,000 because she wasn’t in fact carrying the baby she thought she was and that has resulted in shattered hopes, grief and loss. But if that’s the case, then she has to admit that she was definitely carrying a baby and it wasn’t just a “mistake” she aborted.

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Rebecca adds: Am I the only one wondering about the parents of the aborted baby? Did the clinic know who the biological parents were? Were they notified? One can only assume that, having gone through the process of IVF to the point that they have a fertilized egg ready for implantation, they dearly wanted a baby. What must it be like to be them – presumably struggling with infertility, with a baby that is genetically theirs having been successfully transplanted and then aborted?

I can’t condemn people who try anything possible to have a child. But the more invasive and artificial the technologies involved become, the more opportunities there seem to be for things to go horribly wrong.

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Reporting live from Ottawa

February 19, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek 3 Comments

Eleven police cars, stopped traffic, well over twenty black limousines, at least four emergency vehicles, some more police cars, and two helicopters, one flying lower, the other higher.

It is highly likely I just witnessed President Obama’s arrival on Parliament Hill.

The snow stopped falling, however, it remains overcast. Disappointing.

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Health care in Manitoba

February 19, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

An article from the lovely Ms. Rebecca Walberg in the National Post online; I meant to post this yesterday. She has written about the (heartbreaking) case of Brian Sinclair who passed away in a Winnipeg hospital emergency room after waiting 34 hours for care.

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This is the moment I’m worried about

February 18, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

Bristol Palin talks about how hard it was to tell her parents she was pregnant:

In the interview, Bristol admitted that confessing the pregnancy to her family was more difficult than the birth of her baby — saying it was “harder than labor.”

Since labour is not universally acknowledged as being super easy, we can imagine what it felt like for her to tell her parents. That’s when our abortion-friendly culture kicks in for so many. For how many kids do you bet it’s easier to go “fix the problem” than have to tell anyone?

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Rebecca adds: The pro-life charity Efrat in Israel works to stop abortion by trying to provide whatever an individual woman would need to make her choose to give birth to the baby. Very often, what teenagers living at home need is someone to come with them when they tell their parents, who can de-escalate and moderate the inevitable anger and betrayal and disappointment and fear most parents face when they learn their underage daughter is going to be a mother.  They also need to know that there are people and an organization who will find a home for them if their worst fears are realized and their parents throw them out. My understanding is that the vast majority of the time, this doesn’t happen – but an awful lot of pregnant teenagers are scared that it might. If telling your parents seems scarier than labour, it probably seems a lot scarier than an abortion, especially when abortion is presented as a minor procedure, about as painful and less time-consuming than getting a cavity filled (which, from a purely technical perspective, is probably accurate).

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Playing by the rules

February 17, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek 4 Comments

The rules of dating and sex as taught today appear to go something like this–you can have sex if you are in love. (Correct me if I’m wrong.) Those rules further say that since kids are going to have sex anyway, we should protect them. Through things like birth control and condoms. (Again, correct me if I’m wrong.)

So when we see this story from the UK of kids (literally) having kids are they not following the lessons of our culture? Just at a younger-than-expected age? With the one major mistake of not having an abortion to conceal the problem, so that adults can’t delude themselves into thinking there is no problem, anymore.

I’m not saying this isn’t crazy and a tragedy and a symptom of social decline.

But I’m losing track of what I’m supposed to be shocked by, these days. I can’t help but think these kids are playing by the rules we give them.

(Anyone recall the discussion in the Ottawa Citizen not too long ago about co-ed sleepovers?)

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Brigitte can’t help noticing: One paragraph in that story stands out:

Britain has the highest underage pregnancy rate in western Europe, despite channelling substantial resources into sex education for children as young as five. According to the Office for National Statistics, over the past decade 385 girls under the age of 14 have become pregnant, and more than 40 boys under 14 have fathered children; four boys aged 11 have had children in recent years.

So, do you think that means modern sex-ed isn’t working? Nah. Surely the problem is we’re not spending nearly enough showing 3-year-olds how to put on condoms.

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Rebecca says: I try not to disagree with Andrea in public, since she wields the blogging whip without mercy, but I don’t think this is accurate:

The rules of dating and sex as taught today appear to go something like this–you can have sex if you are in love.”

I think this is largely true for people over thirty or so, although this is the demographic that loved Sex and the City, a show which revered the zipless encounter. If we’re talking about teens and university students, though, a fair chunk of that population operates by different mores, more along the lines of “you can have sex if you want to.” There are some generally accepted rules: it should be consensual, it’s not cool for guys to drug girls to get them in bed, it’s not cool for girls to lie about being on the pill, and most of all, thou shalt not judge those who have recreational sex, for who are you to judge?

I think this has serious consequences for unplanned pregnancies and how we cope with them. People have always had premarital sex, and teen pregnancies have always been with us (albeit in much smaller numbers.) But in earlier generations, one generally had sex with someone one knew well, cared for, and could imagine being married to, so an unplanned pregnancy followed by a quick and discreet wedding was the logical outcome. In an era in which anonymous sex is commonplace, this traditional solution doesn’t work nearly so well.

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Andrea to Rebecca: Please come and see me in my office at the end of class. Thank you.

I stand corrected. I thought there still was some small correlation between love and sex. But now I see I’m wrong. Ah, progress.

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Advertising in transit

February 17, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek 3 Comments

The Ottawa transit strike is thankfully over. What is not over is bus-related debate: Today the discussion on my morning news station was whether or not it was right or wrong for Ottawa transit to say no to the atheist ads going around. In fact, it’s the substance of this CFRA Soundoff Poll. I just voted, in favour of free speech. (That side is losing, by a long shot.)

But while we’re at it–take a look at these ads, also, travelling about the city on Ottawa busses. I have not a sweet clue what they are trying to say. The Gods of Rock compel women to iron? The Gods of Rock will get you pregnant, seems to be the theme–and will make you morose. Either way, I find these ads somewhat offensive but also just plain dumb. I’m quite sure I’m not their target audience–the question remains: who is?

To summarize–in Ottawa atheists are out, pregnant ladies are in.

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Tanya adds: I almost hate to point out that the target audience for The Gods of Rock ad is men.  Not all men, of course…but some men.  And keep in mind, it has nothing to do with having children, but everything to do with getting them pregnant.  Very classy.

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Patricia says: I agree with Andrea that it is not up to OC Transpo to decide which issues merit public debate and by which means that debate should be generated. I would of course draw the line at public decency, although that seems a  laughable limit given the “Gods of Rock” ads or the ones for “dating” services that I see on the TTC here in the Big Smoke. Most times that I take my children on the TTC, I long for blindfolds to avoid the “what is that ad for, Mama?” questions. It does seem to me that if these ads are an acceptable way of generating public debate, so are these.

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I would be curious to see how many of the atheist/humanist free speech advocates would be arguing for buses  to carry these ads, previously barred from the Hamilton transit system (see Andrea’s post). Or are they only interested in using provocative measures to encourage public debate about the non-existence of God? (Or am I being too cynical?)

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Who is oppressing who?

February 16, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek 1 Comment

Couldn’t have said this better myself:

Part of the reason the abortion debate is so polarized is that the pro-choice faction wants to do just that — look away from the medical truth of what abortion does to an unborn baby. Maybe they should meet Denise Mountenay. Or would they rather look away from her too, because she represents a different unpleasant truth–what abortion does to women?  “I was 16 when I had my first abortion,”Mountenay says in an interview from her Morinville home. “My mother said, ‘Denise, you have your whole life ahead of you. Have that operation.’ I thought, I’ll just be unpregnant.”…It wasn’t until after her third abortion that she came across information on fetal development, and “I was like, ‘oh, my God’. It was a revelation. I was absolutely devastated. I read that at three weeks it has a beating heart. This is not a clump of tissue, it’s a little person.”

Pro-choicers are keen on looking away–efforts to show what the baby is through ultrasounds are met with this sort of attack:

Abortion foes have a new tactic: The hope that women can’t look away.

Let me get this straight: ultrasounds showing the beating heart are fanatical? And letting women go ahead with killing their child, without offering that information is compassionate. Kudos (again) to Naomi Lakritz for this sort of compelling column in defence of women’s rights.

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[Editor’s Note: Tanya’s wrath is directed at the author of the blog, see the second link above, not Naomi Lakritz.]

Tanya can’t believe it:  It takes a lot for me to get sincerely annoyed at someone.  This lady managed to push some serious buttons.  It’s the type of thing where, if she were in the same room as me, I’d say things to her that I’d later regret.

“No woman seeking an abortion does so unthinkingly.”  Really?  I know one.  Would you like to meet her so that you can stop your ignorant generalizations?

“Few, if any, women use abortion as birth control”  Is that why 46% of women did not use contraception during the month they became pregnant?

“Elections have consequences. You lost. Go away.”  I’m guessing this lady hid under a rock for the eight years prior to Obama being sworn in.  It would explain her nonsensical arguments.

OK, I’m done.

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Sweden, home of “gender equity”

February 16, 2009 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

Sweden is quite consistently (and falsely, I might add) portrayed as the home of gender equity. So this report on sex selection abortion  may shock some. But not me. We know this is happening in Canada, so why not Sweden?

The only slight reference we have to the fact that the mother may be from elsewhere is this:

In part, I wonder if a caregiver within the public health system has the right to make reference to their own views and the dominant view in our country about gender’s equal value, in preventing a patient, with perhaps a different valuation, from learning the gender of the fetus,” he writes.

Sure, you can reference the dominant view about gender equality in your country, my friend. But then you’ll also have to reference that other dominant view of our times–that abortion is always a private woman’s choice and that her arbitrary decision to do away with her daughters supercedes almost every other dominant view.

Good luck!

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