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“It’s not ‘all about abortion'”

April 4, 2008 by Brigitte Pellerin Leave a Comment

A fine piece by Margaret Somerville in this morning’s Ottawa Citizen, debunking arguments against Bill C-484. Worth reading in its entirety, but if you only have time for a couple of paragraphs, it should be these two:

One pro-choice activist, Joyce Arthur, wrote recently that “when a pregnant woman is safe, so is her fetus.” In framing the issues that Bill C-484 is intended to address as being primarily, or even exclusively, one of the safety of pregnant women, Ms. Arthur is using a strategy adopted by pro-choice advocates to deal with one aspect of the bill that places them in a dilemma. In rejecting Bill C-484, they do not want to seem to be failing to empathize with pregnant women who are the victims of violence — indeed they strongly empathize — but they want to do that without in any way recognizing that a major part of the harm these women and their families suffer is the injury to or loss of the unborn child. In short, they do not want any recognition of the unborn child, or its worth and meaning to its family, realities that Bill C-484, if enacted, would affirm.

This strategy is employed because the pro-choice lobby bases its case that there should be no law governing abortion on the fiction that the fetus and woman are one “person.” They object to Bill C-484 because it contradicts that fiction in recognizing that there are two victims of a crime, although in doing so it does not affect the present law on abortion — indeed, for greater certainty, it expressly states that it does not do so. (As an aside, the need to rely on a fiction to justify abortion is a very weak stance ethically.)

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: C-484, Joyce Arthur, Margaret Somerville

From the horse’s mouth

April 3, 2008 by Tanya Zaleski Leave a Comment

Ken Epp has addressed some concerns the pro-abortion side, namely Joyce Arthur, has for his bill, Bill C-484, here.

I think that if Ms. Arthur would debate what my bill actually says instead of basing her arguments on a misrepresentation, she would be advocating for C-484. How can she argue against protecting in law the unborn child which the pregnant woman has chosen to keep, and to provide criminal sanctions against any third party who would unilaterally take that choice and that anticipated new life away from her, without her consent, against her will and with violence?

Anyone?… Anyone?

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Bill C-484, Epp, Joyce Arthur, Ken Epp

Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt

March 27, 2008 by Tanya Zaleski Leave a Comment

Abortion is legal in Canada right up until the mother goes into labour. No one can argue that point. What is often disputed back and forth is whether late-term abortions actually occur for non-medical reasons. Here (thanks to Big Blue Wave) is an example of such a debate.

 Says the pro-abortion side:

Although there’s no abortion law in Canada, doctors do adhere to the CMA recommendation of no abortions on request after 20 weeks. Even then, so-called “elective” abortions after 16 weeks are rare…

Though Joyce Arthur is quoted above, I’ve heard many an abortion rights activist cite similar information. Patricia LaRue, Executive Director for Canadians for Choice, claimed late-term abortions “don’t happen… No Canadian doctor agrees to do an abortion past 23.6 weeks for social reasons.” 

But fact responds in the form of Margaret Somerville’s personal experience. She enumerates such examples as a woman, 34 weeks pregnant, who did not want to have a baby with a cleft-palate. Or again, a 29 year old student who “was 32 weeks pregnant and wanted an abortion for social reasons.”

 There is an abortion clinic… in Montreal that… does all the very late term (over 22 weeks gestation) abortions… It’s been reported that the Quebec Government has sent at least one obstetrician to the US to be trained to do these abortions – if they were not happening, why have a clinic and why train someone to do them?

Denying that these late-term abortions occur would, I suppose, make the idea of them less haunting. How is it, then, that we who oppose abortion are faced with their very reality, while those who support their existence get to shield their eyes? In the words of Dr. Albert Schweitzer, I say to those abortion supporters: “Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight.”

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Joyce Arthur, late term, Late-term abortion, Margaret Somerville, Patricia LaRue, Quebec, social abortion

Joyce Arthur resigns on Bill C-484?

March 26, 2008 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

More on Bill C-484, the unborn victims of violence bill, here.  

[Joyce] Arthur described the bill as “lingering sexism”, and said anti-abortion arguments all stem from a patriarchal view of women. “They think a fetus should have some rights, there’s too many abortions, it’s used as birth control,” Arthur said. “They feel the law should be making these decisions. But only a pregnant women [sic] can be making these decisions. Is this a blob to her, or a person?

Joyce Arthur appears to have signed her own resignation slip with that statement, because to the women who were attacked and lost their babies, the baby was a baby, a person, not a blob. Case closed–in Arthur’s world too, then, Bill C-484 should stand.

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Bill C-484, Canadian law, Joyce Arthur, Ken Epp, National Abortion Federation

I laugh in the face of danger

March 22, 2008 by Tanya Zaleski Leave a Comment

Joyce Arthur, coordinator of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, called the Angus Reid poll “dangerous,” here.

 Feminists who are politically aware hear about this bill and immediately know what the problem is,” Arthur [said].

Clearly, Joyce Arthur and I do not share the same definition of dangerous. I feel that stiffer charges for violent criminals (as itemized in Bill C-484) are conducive to a less dangerous society. What can I say? I’m a little out there with my views sometimes.

Angus Reid Strategies’ director of global studies, Mario Canseco, [said] that the poll was not financed by any outside party and undertaken “out of our own interest”. Canseco called Arthur’s criticism of the way the poll was conducted “normal” and added, “this is one of the ways people react to surveys that show that not everyone agrees with them”.

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, Angus Reid poll, Bill C-484, Joyce Arthur

Joyce’s choices on Bill C-484

February 27, 2008 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

Joyce Arthur of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada has a letter in the Citizen today. She states there is a conflict between Bill C-484 (unborn victims of violence) and existing laws. There isn’t-because the only law governing the fetus today, and after this bill too, is a woman’s choice.

A woman can do what she chooses with her unborn child.

Now what Arthur is getting at is a longstanding hypocrisy: When an unborn child is wanted, he or she gets medical treatment, even in the womb. And when unwanted, he or she can be killed.

With this bill, when a wanted unborn child dies, the criminal can be charged accordingly.

The decision still hinges on a woman’s choice.

This hypocrisy has existed for some time, and this bill rests on that hypocrisy.

In these cases of violence against pregnant women, they wanted their babies. They chose to keep them. Therefore, honouring their memory, as per their family’s requests, many of whom are backing the bill, means charging the criminal for two murders.

Joyce Arthur, with her complaint, is suggesting that in these cases of violence against a woman and her child, that woman’s choice doesn’t count.

Why? Because Joyce Arthur fears, more than usual, that the eternal hypocrisy of our system will be exposed. (This system, which cares for infants on one floor of a hospital and aborts them on another.)

But either this is a game of choice, or it’s not.

Joyce has two choices then: To support women’s choices, or not.

Arbitrary? Yes. But groups like hers made the rules. Now they ought to play by them.

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Bill C-484, Joyce Arthur

Unborn victim didn’t exist

February 25, 2008 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

My grandson was murdered, says Mary Talbot in today’s Ottawa Citizen.

Joyce Arthur of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada offers up a “there, there, Mary.”

While we deeply sympathize with them and understand their wish, it must be recognized that victims of violence are not those who should be making decisions about justice in a democratic society. Appropriate laws and penalties must be determined by impartial parties who do not allow emotion or personal bias to colour their decisions…

I think it’s fair to say this: Arthur says she sympathizes with Talbot, and somewhere, somehow, that may be true. But Arthur is also the author of Fetus Focus Fallacy and where Talbot knows she had a grandson, Arthur thinks she had a fetus, and furthermore, that we ought not to focus on that. 

As for “impartial parties informing the laws,” I’ll assume that means we’ll be rescinding the Morgentaler decision. And that he, and all pro-abortion groups, will be giving up their fight in New Brunswick in short order.

The bottom line: Arthur sees only one victim here and can’t really sympathise with Mary Talbot at all, as a result. And that would be due to her own lack of impartiality.

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Canada, Fetus Focus Fallacy, Joyce Arthur, Unborn Victims of Crime Act

Failing to see the forest for the trees

February 11, 2008 by Andrea Mrozek Leave a Comment

A reader, Brian, thought we needed to read this. So I did–most of it, anyway.

There’s a lot of disagreement on how and when abortion causes psychological damage to women. One area of solid agreement is that when the woman herself harbours grave misgivings over the act, that woman is indeed more likely to experience personal damage.

So what upsets me about the link above is not that there are hypocrites out there, even pro-life ones–surely we all knew that. What upsets me is that the abortion providers document these examples and in only one case that I found, did they decline to do the abortion. One of these stories even documents a 16-year-old who the abortion providers describe as “not quite right.” But she too, got her abortion.

It also upsets me that someone would chronicle these horrible examples with an obvious sense of schadenfreude. Well done: You have exposed some maliciously dishonest pro-lifers.

It’s hard to see the hypocrites for all the other hypocrites. So I’ll ask a question. What is the bigger problem? The 16-year-old who is “not quite right” and pro-life but asks for and gets an abortion, or abortion providers who say they care about women but clearly don’t have a problem putting someone who is mentally incompetent under the knife?

Still, I thank the reader for drawing my attention to that piece.

Filed Under: All Posts Tagged With: Joyce Arthur, pro-life hypocrites

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